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I also used to work for the owner of the consulting firm doing the plans - I'll see if I can track down some more info.

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A couple of thoughts.

Trees lining the lawn, not good.

Vegetated lookout point, not good

All access play structure at the corner, not good

I realize this is a sketch and not a final plan, but the reality is that as far as the city is concerned we are a tiny group of guys that pose more hazard than we are worth. One rescue and we are a full on liability.

A few key changes and a plan to revitalize the waterfront could be just fine, but don't kid yourself. This could just as easily be a very bad thing for kiting in Kingston. The wait time alone during construction was a nightmare when the Filtration plant was being worked on, only when that was done we got our lawn back!

I'm all for improvement, but that sketch is anything but helpful to our cause!

A beach where they propose is not all bad. Make sure the play structure is set back enough that we can walk to windward of it without too much hassle and get back up on the lawn. Obviously ditch the tree lined lawn. Thats just a bad idea anyway if your thinking about a view! Make that lookout point something we can launch/jump off of. It's further to windward than the corner we use!

Most times we are going to be using this place when the weather is less likely to fill it with kids. If its crowded on the odd busy windy day, we can still come in downwind where we often do, or come back to the lookout point and avoid the crowd altogether.


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What about this?

As part of efforts to clean up the waterfront. Get em to sod the big square dock at the psych hospital so we can launch there and stay out of everyones hair. That could be turned into a killer kite launch with a simple resurfacing from gravel/asphalt to lawn. There's a little exit beach an everything.

Thoughts??


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Kite boarders are a very small interest group in Kingston. I agree with Brent we are 1 rescue away from becoming a liability.

It is however a pretty !@#$ cool sport, and we are constantly attracting attention.

Has KBK considering throwing an Ontario/Quebec kiting event in kingston. Get the city into it; maybe get a radio station like the drive or k-rock to sponsor it with a party down by the lake.

Maybe at least we can ensure a little launch area in the plans.
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I agree with most points,
kite boarders are a small interest group, and can't hope to have a large impact on a development of this magnitude. But, a letter to the city outlining our concerns is better than nothing, at least we could make someone aware we exist and care about that spot. We might be able to influence small changes as brent says, like no border of trees, etc. I don't know what works best, a letter from 'a concerned citizen' or from a local kiteboarding company.

The parking lot by KPH is a possibility, but if it is Ontario land, not the city's, it's a non-starter. Anyone know who owns it ?

I like the idea of a KBK kite event (easy for me to say !) to raise the kiting profile. I've dealt with Rob Carnagie at KEDCO a few times - his mandate is promoting "Sport Tourism" in Kingston. He would definitely be a good resource and would be a help with the city.

I think if that plan goes ahead, even with alterations to tree lines, etc, that area will be off limits July to Sept. You can't have kiters landing on kid-crowded beaches. Can you imagine trying to launch with 2 dozen kids running around the lawn ? My only consolation is that in this economy, I can't imagine the city getting the millions needed for this.
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I dont know, would that be considered infastructure?

I really think there will be very few bathers when its rockin anything over 15 knots. Sunbathers on the lawn maybe, but a beach full of kids?? As long as the open aspect of the lawn were preserved and a spot to hop in on the corner, it could all be an improvement. I think kiting aside the tree lined lawn is a totally stupid idea. Why ruin the best part of the view?
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Just an update on this. Talked to a city planner and it looks like the first bit of work will be done to the walkway between the steam museum and the yacth club. They may get to some work to the pathway in front of Queens but no plans to dig into the beach this summer. The plan is also to redo the beach at Lake Ontario Park, either this or next summer. That could actually gain us a launch. They will likely dig out all the concrete down there which will take out a few of the trees and if they finish it as a beach we could really stand to benefit.

With the PUC, it looks like we have a winter to get organised enough to present some coherent input. The Kingston city website has all kinds of points pertainint to maximizing waterfront views and such that help to get any tree lines off the plans. Anyway, this is a decent spot for people to share ideas and of course volunteer their letter writing prowess!

Cheers.

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A poleboarder chiming in here...

From my perspective, it is unlikely anything will happen in the corner where you guys use the most. There are a couple of major storm outfalls right there (I'm sure you have noticed) and that is not going to change for quite some time. The underground tank that is in there was a multi-million $$ undertaking and it is a permanent feature, and therefore so are the outfalls. This makes it pretty much a bad location to have kids playing on a regular basis.

Saying that, the on-land ideas are a different story completely. No trees will ever be planted over the tank though, but that is in the corner beach area, not on the grassy area you guys use most.

Anyway, one of your best bets though, as the previous poster said, is to get organized, and have a constructive meeting with City Planners and give them your collective thoughts on how to best integrate their needs with yours. They are receptive. It worked fairly well for us windsurfers in deterring their efforts to put that silly groyne structure at Richardson Beach (even though the scene there is pretty stale). Hoping to still get a revamped beachhouse out of it eventually, but that might be wishful thinking.

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